any ideas anyone though i run a fair bit, my belly sticks out.
I'm not necessarily looking for the six-pack but would like something more flatter.
I know diet plays a roll, as does exercise.
What helped flatten your belly.
any tiops
Thanks
I'm not necessarily looking for the six-pack but would like something more flatter.
I know diet plays a roll, as does exercise.
What helped flatten your belly.
any tiops
Thanks
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 5:29 AMCardio exercise is the best for burning fat.
Diet is also important. Try to avoid frequent snacks and high carb foods since it will cause insulin resistance. -
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Mon, August 27, 2007 - 12:10 PMThanks for all your replies
Bo - I am a runner so i generally have cardio sorted, but i do guess my diet is high carb -
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 7:40 AMAlso, high carb food, especially grains, tend to cause bloating and increase the size of the belly.
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Sun, September 2, 2007 - 11:58 PMnothing wrong with carbs. your body NEEDS carbs. just don't eat high GI foods, or you'll store more of those calories as fat. oh, and don't be afraid of eating fat while losing weight. your body needs fat, and will actually lose fat better if you keep it in your diet. just eat the right kinds and the right amount.
the simple rule is to burn more calories than you consume. don't over eat and don't starve yourself, and you'll lose the right kind of weight.
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly...also!
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 8:53 AMALWAYS have your beely button pulled to your spine!
Do the pilates 100!~crunches w/abs pulled in & BREATG thru mouth w/hands stretched in front!~~~~begin w/1 hand behind head to prtect neck! CURVE INTO ur chest~don't go up! -
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HOPE this helps EVERYONE!
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 8:56 AM
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Mon, August 27, 2007 - 7:20 AMforgot... intermittent fasting is quite effective. -
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Sun, September 2, 2007 - 11:57 PMsure, if you don't mind losing a bunch of muscle while you're at it. and you'll just pass out if you tryi doing any exercise during that time. -
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Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:36 PMIntermittent fasting actually improves body composition. -
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Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:42 PMI hate to be a broken record, but have you got any research data for this?
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:49 PMLet me rephrase:
I know about "Bonk Training", and its application toward getting your body to improve its glycogen storage capacity
www.active.com/story.cfm
this is used only for certain kinds of endurance athlete training with a specific goal in mind, and it's highly controversial. It is not fasting. There's no described payoff as far as body comp (e.g., lean muscle mass and body fat).
As far as "intermittent fasting" and a general application toward improving body composition, I can't see how that would work. Do you have data? -
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intermittent fasting: results interesting but inconclusive
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:57 PMhere's a summary of data on intermittent fasting (published August, 2007)
www.alanaragon.com/an-objec...ting.html
the short story is, it's inconclusive.
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Re: intermittent fasting: results interesting but inconclusive
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 3:05 AM"Subjects who completed the study maintained their body weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period. There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate, body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However, when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant decrease in concentrations of cortisol. "
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Re: intermittent fasting: results interesting but inconclusive
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 8:06 PMOn the Stote study you have quoted, Alan Aragon offers the following:
"As always, things are never as simple as they seem once the details are exposed. A number of serious design flaws, including common ones such as a small sample size (15 participants completed the trial) and short duration (2 week lead-in, 6 week treatment periods) plague the quality of the conclusions. The withdrawal of 5 subjects was a 28% dropout rate, which raises the huge question of how different the results might have been if the participants hung in there. The authors noted this was anomalously high compared to the typical dropout rate from feeding studies at their facility, which is roughly 6-7%. Statistical outcomes can easily swing either direction due to individual differences in a small sample. Now let’s take a look at how the key limitation of this trial cripples its validity."
"The most crucial short-sight of the investigation was its use of bioelectrical impedance analysis (BIA) for body composition assessment. In a previous study illustrating its inaccuracy for fasting protocols, Faintuch’s team used BIA to measure body composition changes in non-obese subjects undergoing a 42 day fast, consuming only water, vitamins, and electrolytes [31]. BIA registered an unrealistic 32% decrease in bodyfat, and an overall gain in lean mass. The researchers themselves concluded that these impossible readings proved BIA an inappropriate method for this type of protocol. It’s baffling that Stote chose BIA out of all the available methods, given BIA’s woeful track record in fasting research, likely attributable to the aggressive water redistribution found in fasting patients. Since we don't have reliable readings of the study's critical endpoints, its results are basically worthless."
[An Objective Look at Intermittent Fasting By Alan Aragon & Ryan Zielonka, Copyright © By Alan Aragon, August 8th, 2007] -
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Re: intermittent fasting: results interesting but inconclusive
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 7:40 PMMy view: IF can be effective, as can a bunch of other approaches. At the end of the day, most non-retarded approaches can be effective.
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Mon, August 27, 2007 - 11:05 AMYou can't stop lose fat on your belly (sigh).
Ab work, crunches, etc is fine for working your ab muscles, cardio is good for overall fat loss but you can't target the fat loss.
What I've noticed is my posture. If my posture's good, my belly looks flatter.
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Mon, August 27, 2007 - 12:41 PM<<You can't stop lose fat on your belly (sigh). >>
Meant: You can't *SPOT* lose fat on your belly... grr
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly~POSTURE!
Thu, September 6, 2007 - 2:12 PMTHAT should be given!~ too bad we have become a society of slouchers!
STAND-UP straight AS you pull your belly button to ur spine!~IT DOES BECOME NATURAL!
+ ther's no exttra work ;)*
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:39 PMPOSTURE IS a given!~~~~~WE ALWAYS FORGET THIS!!!!!!!!!!
a good tip for good posture: pulling your belly button your spine & GENTLY holding your shoulds back!
A TIP (from calenetics): shoulders in line with hips!
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Thu, August 30, 2007 - 9:33 AMAnd stay away from cold drinks, they build up gas that makes the tummy "look" ... un-flat, even when the fat is fine. -
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 10:40 AMCold drinks - is probably my downfall -
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Mon, September 3, 2007 - 8:10 PMwow cold drinks never heard that. cold drinks burn calories the body gets hotter to raise the temp for consumption thus burning calories. Same as sleeping in a cold room.
Artificial sweeteners cause bloating. Equal is the worst, it was made for diabetics not the general population. If you consume aspartame and eat any amount of calories it triggers your brain to save every calorie as fat. So having a diet coke with a burger actually causes you body to store all of it. It was made as a sugar substitute for diabetics not for weight loss . -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 6:06 AMcold drinks make ur body store gas and stuff. it makes the belly "look" bigger. i didnt say it adds or takes off weight
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 4:46 PMOld school- Cardio and diaphragmatic breathing.
You can do all the crunches you want, and they do tighten up your rectus abdominus (abs) BUT it does not draw them in. That is the job of your Transverse Abdominus. (TVA) When you draw your abs in (abs to spine) what you are actually doing is activating your TVA. So draw in as far as you can while exhaling, and push out as far as you can while inhaling. Once again I am not knocking crunches, you need to do them too, but you can only target muscle, you cannot target fat. Fat is an all over loss so cardio and Dbreathing is the best exercise.
The food stuff is up to someone else, unless you want to let me know what you eat in a given week. Hope that helps -
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Sat, September 8, 2007 - 9:41 AMYES!!!!~CARDIO..... I learned this, the hard way!
adding a 20 minute walk MADE ALL THE DIFF!
I still do ab work, as it helps other parts of the body! IE: my hperextending knee!
B/C, I have work so hard @ my abs, I am getting off my knee brace~BULKY!
this is all related to my brain injury, I received from a DRUNK DRIVER in 3/99!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
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Stemcell group!~so I can eat w/out choking!
Sat, September 8, 2007 - 9:43 AM
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 10:31 PM>>Artificial sweeteners cause bloating. Equal is the worst, it was made for diabetics not the general population. If you consume aspartame and eat any amount of calories it triggers your brain to save every calorie as fat. So having a diet coke with a burger actually causes you body to store all of it. It was made as a sugar substitute for diabetics not for weight loss .
It's not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to see where you got this from. Have you got data on this? Studies, etc?
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 1:40 AMMost people figure this out just by trying it themselves ;-) they don't look for studies.
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 9:06 AM>>If you google sweetener and bloating you'll get many hits.
...and the first thing I picked up that looked credible on this was something from Harvard Medical School - it says, if you have Irritable Bowel Syndrome, you can avoid issues by avoiding artificial sweeteners, which can cause bloating and diarrhea.
www.health.harvard.edu/newswe...wel.htm
There are lots of causes of diarrhea and bloating, why should I blame artificial sweeteners, per se?
I'm not doubting that this is a legitimate problem, I want to know where the research came from - all I'm seeing mostly is a lot of heresay. Just because I read it on the 'net does not mean it is true.
If you have knowledge of research data which applies to people who don't have IBS, perhaps you can show me?
Help a geek out.
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 10:22 AMI think it will be hard to find a full study on sweeteners and bloating.
Sweetener companies would not fund such research and Medical Universities would not fund it either since it's not related to any disease.
What I know of it's the sugar alcohols (xylitol, sorbitol) that cause bloating. Absorption varies greatly among individuals and the alcohols left in the bowel will ferment by bacteria. -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 12:08 PM>>Sweetener companies would not fund such research and Medical Universities would not fund it either since it's not related to any disease.
I disagree.
Obesity is a disease, there's a wealth of research on artificial sweeteners in obesity research.
www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/co...11/1325
www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1...732.html
Diabetes is a disease. Seems like a lot of diabetics are very interested in what artificial sugars and sugar alcohols might do to them.
Here is a good article which does the research on what may cause gas and bloating in sugar alcohols
http://66.102.1.104/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=cache:OSA1G_sMpigJ:www.diabetes.ca/Files/SugarA...fect+bloating
it says, 10 to 20 grams per day of sugar alcohols may cause flatulence and bloating.
The Candian Diabetes Reserch foundation says that a can of diet coke contains 133 mg of sugar alcohol (as aspartame) - 0.13 grams - so you'd have to drink 76 cans to experience the flatulence and bloating that is documented at the minimum recorded value (unless you have IBS).
Ice cream with sorbitol, however, is a different deal - it contains 6 grams of sugar alcohol.
Addressing the initial issue, here is a very interesting article on glycaemic index and foods, it talks about how to properly support your metabolism by taking in appropriate glycaemic index foods before and after training.
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 12:08 PMbetter link to the article here
http://66.102.1.104/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=cache:OSA1G_sMpigJ:www.diabetes.ca/Files/SugarA...fect+bloating
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 7:47 PMI read alot about it. I went really depressed and wanted to kill myself and they put me on pills and i hated it. i knew something was causing the depression because I had no reason to be depressed. The only thing that had changed in my life was the use of splenda. I did some research and it has caused severe depression in people. I also read about other artificial sweetners and causeing body to store calories was one of the things I read about. I used equal and splenda in everything and as soon as I quit I dropped 15 pounds in 3 weeks and my depression stopped. I even used sugar in my tea and coffee and ate a normal diet. People asked me what are you doing and I told them I was eating sugar. -
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Fri, September 14, 2007 - 8:27 PMIt sounds like you have a mood disorder which pre-disposes you to certain side-effects of aspartame, but it is not true for everyone.
While this study concludes that that certain persons with mood disorders may experience an adverse reaction when they take excessive quantities of aspartame
www.mindfully.org/Health/As...s-1993.htm
you should keep in mind that the equivalent dosage used in this study would equate to 10-12 cans of soda per day. Also, the study is 14 years old. I don't see anything new to talk about.
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 2:00 PMwhy is that with the aspartame? Do you have a link or anything where you read that, I am just wanting to read about the chemical reaction in the body behind this. Damn your post freaked me out!
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 9:59 PMAlthough my belly is not all that flat, I can share two tips from the professionals whom I have worked with.
My aerial teacher has a flat belly. She does 100 crunches at a time, at least once a day. She has me do 50 at a time. If I did the 50 crunches every day, I'm sure I'd be flatter.
I had a few sessions with a professional trainer at a gym I belonged to, and he told me that when using the weight resistance equipment that targets the belly to keep the weight relatively low and do many reps, 2 or 3 sets of 25 reps. If one uses more weight one will build muscle in the belly which will make the belly stick out some. It will be strong, but not flat. So for women, especially, use lower weights and do many repetitions for a flat, toned belly. -
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Fri, September 14, 2007 - 3:14 PMyep that makes sense Christie have heard low weight many weights is the wy to go otherwise you'll bulk up.
I've started on the rower again which is supposed to be good for the core.
Just for the record would never fast just to get the flatter belly don't believe it is a healthy option -
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 7:52 PMwww.mercola.com/article/as...in_myth.htm
suewidemark.netfirms.com/aspartam.htm
www.newstarget.com/001253.html
www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/arti....html
Read it and weep! give up those unnatural habits. Why are people obese because they slam food full of preservatives and corn syrup! -
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I've read, I'm not weeping
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 8:19 PMWhile I agree entirely with you on the High Fructose Corn Syrup thing,
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...03Mar10
I think your research is faulty.
The FDA has been all over Mercola about making false and unsubstantiated claims about his research. While the Mercola stuff works for you, it does not work for everyone.
www.quackwatch.com/search/webglimpse.cgi
Dr. Sandra Cabot (whose article you quote) also offers a dubious liver test that is under question - I don't think I'd trust her advice on aspartame
www.quackwatch.com/search/webglimpse.cgi
I have read and heard the same information on aspartame, the theory being that aspartame causes the same insulin reaction as sugar but with no benefit. Obesity research, however, would say otherwise
www.ajcn.org/cgi/content...act/65/2/409
Also, it's unsubstantiated.
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Re: Tips for a flatter belly
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 8:31 PMGood information there, Modomlooper!
I have been avoiding aspartame for about 10 years, ever since I read a report about the health risks involved with its regular use. I remember reading then that drinking diet soda every day could lead to an increased risk of Alzeimer's Disease later on. I sent a print out to all my friends and relatives at that time, some of them saying they didn't believe it if it was approved by the FDA, and that they needed the diet stuff to help keep their weight down.
In the 4th link posted above the warnings include other scary diseases, too, like Leukemia and Parkinson's Disease. Aspartame is used in sugarless pies and jams among other things. If it says "sugarless" read the label!
Parents, please don't feed these diet things to your kids, they can't make the choice for themselves, yet. You wouldn't want to poison them!
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